he said, let's lower tax rates, but expand the tax base. you put that on the table for the president. that is at least the second time. host: and what the polls would be taken out? guest: it depends on the process that they go trooper -- they go through the biggest loopholes are by far the exclusion for health insurance. if you are going to design a system from scratch, intertwined the health insurance system with the tax system. we cannot change it overnight and expect it not to collapse. we would need to create some kind of credit for individual health insurance. we should not be taxing savings. you can exempt savings or exempt the yield you get from savings. we would not close that again for raising revenue. it comes down to the political process as to how you are going to get rates lower. but again, the offer is out there from speaker pena. the president has not taken them upon -- speaker dana. the president has not taken empirin. but treasury secretary geithner was on abc this week. let's take a look. [video clip] >> i think we are mak